However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Finsbury Park. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. Still makes me cringe everytime I see/read 'Great' in front of anything British since this mob got in. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). You are using an out of date browser. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. for some form of co-branding. Press J to jump to the feed. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. They are an intercity operator. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. The double arrow is still overused, though. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. Recognising this, the Plan for Rail recommended the development of a 30-year strategy to determine how best the railways can support Britain in the future. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. Messages: 1,398. The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. We use cookies. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. The current lot is an absolute mess. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . I could see those different types of logos being used across scenarios. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. I'm not aware - what are TfW doing? A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. Wholely agree. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. I'm inclined to disagree. Feb 1, 2020. Not so much the modern LNER though. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. This idea often seems to pop its head up. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. Erm are you sure about that? One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. It'll be operated quite differently. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Now there's a system others can look up to. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. 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