Furthermore, nobody has a problem with the father speaking to the son, or the son speaking to the family or any of the other ideas that are used against the Trinity. We can know they are three distinct persons, as indicted in this conversation; Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Genesis 1:26. Gavin Newsom in 2019 that temporarily lifted the statute of limitations regarding child sexual abuse lawsuits. Do you believe that false teachers exist? Even a single example is enough. I guess thats why people thought of the three states of water, clover leaf, etc. The only one who has the right to say if this man is a true man of God is God himself and if he wasnt called by God he will fall. Both, in this case, misuse Scripture and claim that it says something that it does not say. In Furticks own words, the power of God was trapped in their unbelief. THAT is his point, as the rest of his quote shows. You can also subscribe without commenting. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 Showing he wants to, but his longsuffering is towards our lack of faith, for without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. I actually tell how life really is and tell my own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. Does pointing to false teaching make one a Pharisee? God cannot sin, but we certainly can. Now in the context of this discussion, I dont believe there is any evidence of Gods blessing. I really do appreciate you being here, Mercy. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Your email address will not be published. Thanks for visiting! Paul was unaware that God could heal him, so he was never healed. This situation was a gigantic source of controversy, and has been disputed by Furtick and others at Elevation. Furtick taught as Ive shown that the people of Nazareth lacked faith, and it was their lack of faith that trapped Jesus power to heal. Many through the years have been wrong, and yet many saved through their ministries. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, but then it is to every one that believes, Rom. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. I appreciate the fact that you did your homework! . Steven Furtick, pastor of the popular Elevation Church in North Carolina, said celebrating diverse churches without addressing racial disparity is "hypocrisy" in a frank conversation Sunday with fellow megachurch pastor and friend John Gray in the wake of the killing of George Floyd. Steven Furtick earned a Master of Divinity degree from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. My identity isnt a secret. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Theres nothing in Scripture that tells us that we can prevent God from doing anything He wants to do. YES or NO. Nobody has any problem with the concept that a family has just one person. Not really a definitive answer to what constitutes a false teacher. The very idea of salvation contradicts that notion! Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter, and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. God is Spirit and we who worship him must worship him in Spirit and TRUTH (John 4:24), so, no, dont agree with Steven Furtick. Thanks, so I will just try to answer a couple of things. Does he believe Jesus is the only way to heaven ? Its not power inside of us that saves us. Those are all from a single passage in John 5. Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. Jesus cannot override someones unbelief. In this case, those consequences might be only a few minutes of ritual uncleanness, or most of a day. We are told it in scripture, and accept it on faith. 1:16. The truth is that oneness doctrine cant explain why Jesus prayed to the Father, was sent by the Father, went back to the Father, and so on. This is something more. What does the text say? As for helping your father, that can be tough. But thought I had read something about TD Jakes now realizing modalism is wrong. Jesus healed people because of the faith of others. If you give the pizza delivery guy the wrong address, youll never get your pizza. GodWords has been around for a long time, and being a web professional Im very good at making effective websites. Right? Ive fixed it. No, I get that it would be rough if others out here in cyberspace land could write at the same length, yet all I ask is that you follow same, be equitable . I recently worked with a retired pastor, and our topic was discipleship. One strategy is to ask questions in a different context. According to Christian Headlines, Steven Furtick, senior pastor and founder of Elevation Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, spoke Sunday from Luke 5:1-11 about Jesus asking Simon Peter to become his disciple. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you, And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith. #3 is what came to mind when you said bad things are bad, never good. Our trust is seen as so powerful that God is unable to act without it. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.. Thus, when Mark says Jesus could do no mighty works in Nazareth, He does not mean that their unbelief sapped His power. Unfortunately, many false teachers have perfectly orthodox statements of faith. Dont listen to what I say, or what Steven Furtick says. He said if you listen to the Word and dont do it, youre like a man who looks at himself in a mirror in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God my Maker is my mirror. And yes, its true that many who follow false teachers ARE saved there. Too often its in spite of what he teaches. It seems really important to avoid gossip about people, and to be fair and gracious in our assessments. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Those are your only options. Furtick is simply pouring his own meaning into the words you might hear at the church you grew up in. Is it part of Revelation? Believe it or not, I held back from actually using the language of the kingdom. You should spend a little time in 1 Timothy and Titus to see what Paul says about people who teach anything other than the true gospel. If you've been feeling worn down or tired, this one's for you.In "Winded," Pastor Steven Furtick shows us that when the wind is against us and our energy is . Of course it does its all over the gospels, right, so which is it? We should say what the Bible says, and we should not say what the Bible does not say. The Spirit of God is the BREATH/Wind of God and the Son is the WORD of God. As Paul notes, our glorified bodies will be just like His so, as far as Scripture is concerned, Jesus still has a body at this moment. Weve gone back and forth a number of times, and Im not entirely clear on where you stand. If you need clarification to answer it that simply, Ill be happy to clarify but it seems simple: Do you, in any sense, have power over God? Im sorry that you and I disagree on this, my friend but my position is not my own. Scripture clearly teaches, again and again, that we are not like God: There is no one like you,Lord, and there is no God but you. why would you call me irresponsible? Your use of this passage suggests that we dont know whether Furtick is teaching the gospel or not whether its from God or not. Narcigesis is a new word. Feel free to disagree with Sproul. Please: take some time to consider throwing the baby out with the bath water. I wouldnt think so, but thats the result of what youve written. Do I consider Steven Furtick a false teacher? Yet the heart is the inner man, right! Do you tell immature believers, or impressionable non-believers, that they should take the good and ignore the evil? What is wrong with saying; the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith? Steven Furtick (@stevenfurtick) July 30, 2017. Notice he did heal some by laying his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. That makes us more powerful than God. As does Satan. He just changed forms. Theres nothing left for Him to do. For There is such a thing as an atmosphere of faith, which genders favorable results, even Jesus knew this, as here in his own turf, he would put out doubters; The child is not dead. Word of Faith teachers twist the Scriptures to say something that God has never said. Thanks for your work. God is not molecular, but rather, God made molecular! He restored the son of the man who cried out, I believe; help my unbelief! (9:24). Salvation IS a huge deal but if our only concern was salvation, we wouldnt need most of the New Testament. It makes the most sense to apply it to Revelation, as it IS a book of prophecy. Thats the ONLY reason Ive written about people like Steven Furtick people CAN be deceived, ARE BEING deceived, and Christians are called to contend for the gospel. Its also a heresy known as panentheism. The word means to wound, trouble, or cause pain. If you just read the website, you might think hes right on track right? Ive listened to some of his sermons, and actually been blessed. Real-time updates and all local stories you want right in the palm of your hand. From Scripture, we know that Jesus is NOT the Father, and that Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit is NOT the Father. Thats a whole different situation, right? That fits with other texts, so maybe He didnt heal people who didnt want to be healed. The only logical and biblical explanation could be that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others. He took only the childs father and mother and the disciples Mark 5:39,40, showing doubt hinders, faith encourages favorable out comes. Sure, if a false teacher is someone who says false things, but on this scripture we are discussing Matthew 13:58, I will stand with collaborating scripture I have shared and with Matthew Henry, and with Furtick, if need be. In feeding the 5,000, the faith of Jesus disciples wasnt what allowed Him to multiply the loaves and fishes. But seems you are conflating the two things, that of, God showing (demonstration) of who he is and the people receiving of said power through faith .. Unfortunately, his understanding of Psalm 78:41 is off-base. But as for, thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? Anything that contradicts Scripture is false. The issue of Furticks misquotation and conclusions about the text isnt the biggest issue, but it does point to a common problem for him and other false teachers: they feel comfortable saying what the Bible doesnt say. It had been 26. He says a lot of things that are true, of course but he also promotes unbiblical falsehoods. 14), some have weaker faith and some stronger. Furtick, Steven (2012). God did not arbitrarily decide He now longer cared about cleanliness. Modalism is the unbiblical idea that there is one God who is only one person and that when we see the Father, Son, and Spirit, we are seeing three different manifestations of the same single person. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. If the decision were mine, I would not allow a church music ministry to use songs by false teachers whether Jehovahs Witnesses, Elevation, Hillsong, or Bethel. No, I do not see it, as Furtick said of Jesus; He wanted to. All rights reserved | Privacy Policy. Afterward, they reconvened at a 24-hour diner to talk about Christ. Im very comfortable with that. I always wonder what they do with the verses about Jesusbaptism where all three members of the Trinity are present at one time. See also: a list of Bible Teachers I Can Recommend, i now understand why you see him as a false teacher. Be transformed into an advocate for truth to protect yourself and your loved ones from the wolves that the Scriptures talk about. A very dangerous course: What Saddleback Church ouster means for Southern Baptists. In 1 Timothy 5, Paul said to rebuke false teachers publicly, so that the rest may stand in fear. He specifically called out false teachers by name, too: Demas, Phygelus, Hermongenes, Hymenaeus, Alexander, and Philetus. Thanks. First, I didnt call you irresponsible. If Steven Furtick teaches things that contradict the Bible, were supposed to call him out on it. Let me know if you need a hand getting started. Healing belongs to you and to me. Its rare to see a young man like Steven Furtick living in a 15 million dollar home with several astronomically priced vehicles in this day and age. Please be specific. God only has One intelligence, and that intelligence is HIMSELF. If youre wrong, change. When Paul chastised the foolish churches in Galatia, he did so because they had turned to another gospel. People shouldnt have to search the web to find out whether anyone claiming the name of Jesus is trustworthy but they do. >> it is CLEAR that it is all ONE God, ONE Spirit, ONE Lord. I agree with you that Furtick genuinely believes what he is teaching so my heart breaks. The reason I allow comments is that I want discussion, which generally comes from disagreement. THAT along with a whole bunch of other things Furtick teaches is why hes a false teacher. It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. Weekly motivation delivered right to your inbox. No, all these scripture above are contrary to your saying; our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to just does not fit. Of course, I can tell that YOU dont really like me. A reasonable conclusion from the text might be that Jesus did fewer miracles there because fewer people, not believing in Him, came to Him to be healed. It is fascinating to watch in slow motion and magnified. "We knew it was not in desperate need for more churches. The Bibles descriptions of God tell us that the Son is not Father, the Spirit is not the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son yet they are all God, and there is only one God. As for asking if I agree with him, that God broke the law for love, have you forgotten, I already shared earlier about that (look above); By itself, I see no problem but playing music in church isnt by itself. It comes with spiritual baggage that the Kingdom of God, quite simply, is fighting against. I can certainly use the discussion to teach people how to handle Scripture properly, how the teachings of the Word of Faith movement come directly from New Thought, and how they distort the biblical record about God and man. Thats undeniably false. The power of God was in Nazareth, but it was trapped in their perspective. You are not the hero of every Bible story. Id love to sit down with Steven Furtick. And . Thanks for your comment. They were all involved in the creation, for example. This is further spoken of in Galatians 3:5, He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith As This power that works in us is the Spirit, which must be activated by faith! PO Box 1679, Fort Mill, SC 29716 | Customer Service: 1-877-857-2244 | Orders: 1-888-777-1896. Theres nothing wrong with that. I say these things as a brother, and I mean them as a brother. Again, no, God did not break the law, as James 2:10 says whoever stumbles at one point of the law is guilty of breaking it all, which means God did not break any of His Old Testament laws! Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. One would assume that this kind of education might help him avoid really dumb theological ideas, but that assumption is flawed. You are judging this man and putting your spin on what he is saying. Jesus is the Word of God, (logos, the intelligence of God expressed in words) made flesh. No, Im not aware of him teaching on sin and repentance. Have a great day! If you agree that hes a false teacher but want to talk more about Matthew 13, at least Ill have some sense as to your intentions. Accept it and leave the rest to Father God. The thief on the cross was a special case. In other words, God mostly withheld His power from the stiff-necked people who held Jesus in contempt. Yet that is not true, for the word is clear; John 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does notbelieve,I do not judge him; forI did not come to judge the world but to save the world. I hope that you wont take my word for it, Kathleen. Thank you for sharing this. Ask yourself, who was Jesus constantly praying to, himself? God does respond to our faith. Is the Lords arm too short? The question is not whether our faith plays a part in how God interacts with us, including healings. No worries. That said, Christianity is far, far more than just being saved. Changing the verse from did not to could not allows Furtick to make claims about our own belief that arent found in Scripture. Heres a quote from Furtick for your consideration: Do you agree with Steven Furtick on this matter? (Modeled after Downtown, a rap video from Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, the refrain went like this: Pastor/He has big arms/And has big faith/No word he says will go to waste/For well over 3,000 days/He always preaches down the place.), 10. Luke 3:21-23 KJV Furtick taught that there are things Jesus CANNOT DO. Elevation pastor is not wrong at all Fried chicken, cornbread and cake what brings you back to this Charlotte restaurant. Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. God the Father, son and spirit is one and same person in three forms to carry out different functions for man. Put more simply, there is one God who is eternally and distinctly three persons. The order is wrong. How many doctrinal errors does it take to make one a false teacher ? The blood of Jesus is far superior to the blood of animal sacrifices in the eyes of God, so much so that sacrifice of animals ceased being acceptable to him since the completion of the atoning work of his Son on the cross, Hebrews 9:11-14 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to, And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.. I am sick on my stomach and disgusted by your interpretation or misinterpretation of Gods chosen disciple. The topic of this article is the false teaching of Steven Furtick. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Its not our words that save us. For mature, well-educated believers, there is less danger than for others. If you throw the ball, you are not the ball. But I dont want to follow a false teacher. Thank you and God bless you. In context, Furtick is teaching about how we see ourselves versus how God sees us. A new grant aims to preserve it. By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. I dont want to write about false teachers, my friend. Just yesterday I watched a clip of Jesse Duplantis, where he said (and I quote) You choose when you live, you choose when you die. Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. Here is what the great Matthew Henry said; It (this familiarity breeding contempt). Furtick feels blessed and wants to keep on going Elevation's attendance goal for 2010 is 10,000. Start Smaller. "But, gosh, we're all on the same team." We need to be careful to avoid presuming Gods mind. He just was no longer visible. I do applaud those who have obtained these things legitimately. I think its important, on several levels. Heres what we know from the passage itself, from history, and simple logic: Because Revelation is usually the last book in the compilation of books we call the New Testament, we have a natural tendency to see it as the summation of what came before. And as Im reading your comments. Rejecting Jesus has significant consequences, as we see in todays passage. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. Where's the real church? I only have one question for you: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? He's clearly a gifted communicator, and - based on the growth of his congregations - likely a gifted leader as well. Christs sacrifice fulfilled the sacrificial requirement of the law -on behalf of His elect- (dashes for emphasis, I dont know how to italicize in this chat box). I get why these actually misdescribe the Trinity and are ultimately unhelpful. Steven Furtick Jr. is an American Baptist evangelical Christian pastor and songwriter of Elevation Worship. If you have something to say, include Scripture. If there are disputable matters, there are indisputable matters. You and I arent Job, or Moses, or Jesus. As I continue to add to the False Teachers list, and to add articles about them, I want to be responsible and use their own words rather than sharing my own, largely irrelevant, opinions. Gabriel, in. . Knowledge is important but it alone doesnt save. Iron really cant sharpen iron without friction. While you (and I, at times) focus only on salvation, Jesus did not. It is interesting to see how many people assert a defense that if you question anything about someone else, youre judging, and furthermore, the assertion that judging is unbiblical. God has existed in relationship with Himself for all eternity. He causes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on the righteous and unrighteous alike. Here are 10 facts about him. Im not making a mountain out of a molehill here, Thomas. 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