Good luck and god bless Hun. First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. Hats off to all the others. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. I dont generally buy it, but Ill drink it without complaint. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. Although, when faced with only Jameson and Bushmills, I will usually go for the Bushmills. Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? say more. A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Found it very smooth to the tongue. Irish whiskey is only good for shots. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Talk about confused. @Matt: sorry to hear about religious intolerance in West Virginia but this is a discussion about the distilling history of Irish whiskey, not moonshine. For one, Jameson and Bushmills trade casks and some Jamesons bottles are bottled in the Bushmills distillery as well as knowing many a catholic who have worked there over the years. 1. Never once was I presented with a this is the north, or this is Ireland like many seem to believe in the States. This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? I dont give a rip shit about religion and in fact LOATHE the typical evangelical protestant types like Swaggart, Murdoch etc. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. Im not surprised this thread is still going strong. Clean, fresh. ID was purchased by Pernod Ricard in 1988 and they sold off Bushmills to Diageo in 2005. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. It was a big hit with my fellow pilgrims. In Ireland theyd drink either, but rarely had enough money for more than a pint o the local beer. I think Irish whiskey is like Scotch, meant for sipping, not mixing. In later years I looked more into my family history and came to realize that my Fathers family were local Baptists and my Mothers were Czech Catholics. Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. About one-in-five (18%) chose "the Great Crusade," while 6% said "the Great Schism" and 5% said "the French Revolution Id suggest Tullamore Dew, it was founded by Catholics and is still owned by a nice Irish Catholic company. post number 66). @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. Parents did their best to kill thatand they did. Im an American Catholic raised in the bible belt, West Virginia to be exact. Big thank you to reader Jonathan for providing this informative link about this. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. In the mean time, the closest I can get to Ireland is my Bushmills and Guinness at night, and Kerrygold butter on toast for breakfast. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. Literal Meaning. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. Irish for the whiskey Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Protestant - to 'protest'. Still love it. [8] After expansion, output at the distillery rose to 700,000 gallons per annum, and by the 1880s, had reached about 900,000 gallons per annum, at which point the distillery covered over six acres of central Dublin, and had a staff of about 300 people.[3][1]. This must be one of the most pointless debates I have seen in a long time. [1] Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. But NONE of this has anything to do with Whiskey brands and everything to do with prejudices. Yup, only the americans give a shit about this stuff anymore. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. ! Idiot!! You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. . I can just say Cheers! Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. Had drinks in the Irish Embassy (in Korea) as an invited Englishman. Im Irish American and I volunteered for both Sinn Fin and Irish Northern aide. One company that undeniably did discriminate against Catholics though was Guinness in Dublin yet i dont see any boycotts in place for that. . Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. Starting with Bushmills which I am using as a warm up to my usual Wild Turkey 101. A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. Thanks for the clarification. Ian Paisley MP, Euro MP and MLA; universally known Doctor No. Believe in the Trinity of God. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: Bushmills was my first taste of Irish Whiskey. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! The Holy Roman Empire Paddy is a brand of blended Irish whiskey produced by Irish Distillers, at the Midleton distillery in County Cork, on behalf of Sazerac, a privately held American company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. Powers is good and inexpensive but 2 Gingers is better then them all and reasonably priced!!! Lived in Ireland my whole life and as an avid whiskey drinker, both scotch and Irish, Ive never encountered that conversation. And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! William Riley, well said, man. I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. However, it is generally accepted that the catagory, as a whole, is spelt that way as well. But that's merely based on geography: Bushmills is from Northern Ireland (a predominantly Protestant region) and Jameson is from Cork - Catholic country. It was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, resulting in millions of casualties. It retails slightly cheaper than Jameson in the US, at $16 a bottle. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. Any particular reason why in 1998-1999 Bushmills would have distilled of at least bottle up for Jameson ????? I remember back in my younger days hearing of the Troubles and feeling for those involved and I felt mostly for the Catholics. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. The worst mistake I made was ordering a Bass Ale in PJ Horgans on Queens Blvd. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. [1], Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. No coffee or anything green. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. In 1998 Bushmills was part of IDL, which owned all the whiskies coming out of Ireland with the excpetion of the few from Cooley. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. These ideas still run deep and there are still a lot of untrue things people believe about Catholics. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. These two fine whiskeys should be enjoyed in a glass and not on some pseudo-religious podium. [12] However, with many of the Irish distilleries having closed in the early 20th century in part due to their failure to embrace a change in consumer preference towards blended whiskey, Powers were instrumental in convincing the remaining Irish distilleries to reconsider their stance on blended whiskey.[8]. Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. What is the lore and legend and reputation of Tullamore Dew? Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. All Irish whiskey is great. He replied, Bushmills. Usually King James Version. I am not surprised that this thread is 6 years old and still going strong. I live in a small town in Texas, I am Catholic and I am treated as if I am a leper. He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. The spelling of whisk(e)y is actually a bit up in the air as far as that pesky e goes. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Roman Catholic influence on the whiskey world doesn't end with Henry VIII, however. Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. Bushmills, which refused to hire Catholics for many years has been actively trying to recruit Catholic employees of late, because the pay a wee tax penalty for lack of diversity in their workforce. Bushmills I like, but I like Irish Whisky best of all the brown stuff. Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. As a good Roman Catholic, Ive always raised my Jameson in tribute to my Irish Catholic brethren (actually I like Jameson a little more than Bushmills anyway) until, on a recent trip to Ireland with my Irish-American Wife (nee Powers), I bought a bottle of Redbreast on a lark. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Bushmills does not, to my certain knowledge, employ Catholics as certain industries/companies are, let us say, reserved for one tribe or another in the Black North. Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. The other part is that Powers is for everyone else who just doesnt give a f**k. Drink what you drink and like what you like. ** Your email address will not be published. I also like Writers Tears, Bushmills and the Redbreast (12 more so than the 15). This is now a historical landmark. The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism Cheers! Not all American or Irish whiskies spell the word with an elike Makers Mark, George Dickel, Old Forester, Early Times or Paddy spell the word w-h-i-s-k-y. Arthur Guinness was definitely Protestant And a Unionist. He was adamantly against Home Rule as well. My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. None of that means shit. In 1886, John Power & Son began bottling their own whiskey, rather than following the practice customary at the time, of selling whiskey directly to merchants and bonders who would bottle it themselves. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. A few years ago during a trip to Ireland we had dinner at the home of some relatives. I think the Middleton hurt my wallet the most. Powers gold label is absolute shit. Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. Get over it and drink what you feel. By far the biggest of this selection. Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. Also, your giving Prince Harry more money to go on vacation, maybe Vegas again perhaps? TRIPLE SEC, 2 shots of BUSHMILLS, I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. I must have been misinformed. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. If you ever try a more exclusive blend or a single malt, dont dare poison it with ginger ale . Now, its important to note that the Scottish Reformation occurred in 1560, so odds are in favor of the founder of the Jameson distillery, being Scottish, was a damn Protestant. I tried Bushmills a couple of years ago and was surprised to find I liked it a lot, too. In April I went to Jerusalem. OK, OK, can be pretty good and certainly much cheaper. Upon this one should decide which whiskey they prefer, and not upon any religous matter. I came to mention Powers- it seems my work is done. It has been my favorite since discovering it at the Buena Vista Cafe in San Francisco. In 1827, production was reported at 160,270 gallons,[5] and by 1833 had grown to 300,000 gallons per annum. Also, what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon??? Love a pleanty Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. An Italian friend, when introduced to the term Uiske Beatha thought the word was bad water and now refers to it as Aqua Sporca or dirty water. Fact: the worst atrocities in the Irish struggle for freedom were perpetrated by the Irish on each other and were not likely fueled by religious affiliation but the politics of the time. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. As for my preference, I tend to like the lighter Bushmills as its the first Irish whiskey I discovered years ago, and Ive certainly enjoyed my share of Jameson from time to time. But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. Or champagne to protest Frankish aggression against the Gallo Romans. You can see why I am confused. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. Utter nonsense. I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. 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